By the way I hate when people try to say how smart vegeta is because the only time he is smarter is when yet first meet. However this is not enough to make Goku or Vegeta nervous or afraid of him so they could both probally beat him. Vegeta may be cocky, but fighting-wise he isn't stupid (at least to me). Okay, so we've seen two beings ever achieve Super Saiyan 3, correct? Just thought that I should point this out, that the person that wrote this at the top is missing out on something; not to be mean, but Goku isn't a human. Ans unfortunately, this was a series that was heavily driven by fan opinion. Gohan as well. but vegeta doesnt need to be evil to accend.he just has to have a good heart. He did everything on his own from his pride to the erge to be the best of the best. Thus it would be quite difficult for Vegeta to achieve SSJ3, even if he had more than enough power. or maybe he just need to train in other world like goku did. It is something that you need to have or not have. He noticed the limitations/drawbacks. While Goku was able to achieve this in a ritual with Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten, and Pan, it was revealed that Vegeta had also achieved Super Saiyan God, ostensibly after receiving divine martial arts training from Beerus and Whis, Universe 7's God of Destruction and attending angel. His 50% chance for stuns is the reason why I left him on main rotation. In Dragon Ball Super, Vegeta made his thoughts on Super Saiyan 3 crystal clear.The Prince of All Saiyans might have been frustrated when he first saw Goku achieve the transformation during Dragon Ball Z's Majin Buu Saga, but he eventually dismissed SSJ3 as a waste of energy and opted to focus on perfecting Super Saiyan 2 instead. Follow. vegeta reached points in his power way before goku did. He is stronger than ssj3 goku in his EPIC ssj2 mode and BE EPIC AS HELL, Warning if any GT haters are reading this close your eyes lets begin. Should vegeta have turned super saiyan 3? Goku and Vegeta will forever be even both are cear cut super saiyan 1,and 2 but with vegeta he never had a chance to go ssj3 and the ssj4 goku got help just like vegeta he had the elder kai put out his tail just as vegeta had bulma help grow his tail so both had help reaching ssj4. He deals out alright damage in the 1st and 3rd fight due to type advantage. In GT he becomes super saiyan 4 and skips out 3. Also, if they were even they wouldn't just be even in SSJ2 they would aslo be even in SSJ and Base forms. Plain and simple he didn't go super sayain 3 in dbz or gt so logically we have to assume he can't. SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta are exactly even. This is why I believe Goku used his SSJ form to battle Bills after SSJG form's time ran out. I always thought it was because Vegeta would look stupid in ssj3 :). Gotenks fought in SSJ3 against Super Buu and his fusion time dropped. And this was after they all achieved the form already. Plus, Fusion Dance is much weaker than Potara. Evidenced by Gohan getting his but handed to him by Cell then ascending to SS2 and beating Cell like it was nothing. Report. Oh and SSJ Gohan wasn't trying agisnt Cell, though Cell was only at 16% Max power. First, it is that it requires something that was not available to Vegeta to actually achieve the SSJ3 form. he did in a movie but never agin, Not the same person! And the fans desires always had Goku as the one and only hero. Follow. Another is that it must have been very painful to actually achieve SSJ3 for both Goku and Gotenks, and both had some sort of supernatural life force abetting them, and yet it still cost them to sustain SSJ3 as they got used to it. I think vegeta could go to a super saiyan 3. I think he meant base form Gotenks,Anyway Vegeta.> so if I were you peepz we should all just accept the fact that Goku and Vegetta are even in terms of power.. Goku only manage to transform to his SSJ4 form bec. However, their reasons are different. This added to Vegeta's motivation as to anger Goku, Vegeta killed all those people at the world tournament just to convince Goku to fight. When Babidi made him again pure evil, he was kind of a match for Goku. The best GIFs are on GIPHY. And btw, Gohan (on the end of DBZ and beyond) can also transform into SSJ3, as well as Gogeta and Vegito; since it only depends on raw power. After all, he only transform into SSJ4 only a few times, maybe after some training, he could transform alone? had he faced dabura, then dat wud of been a great oppurtunity. The 6 Strongest Pokémon Ash Has Ever Trained. If the fans in Japan didn't like an idea, Toriyama would bend over backwards just to fix it to the fans desires. Dragonball GT Episode 59 Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta. Another similarity to Goku's dead self is that Gotenks apparently did not require much effort to sustain SSJ3, but it did cut into the time he had left as a fusion, similar to how Goku's form cut into the time he had on Earth. Perhaps vegeta should fight someone stronger than him but treat it as if fighting a real life enemy, the fight stops only when vegeta is near death or until he is able to transform, either way when he recovers he should be much stronger than before and eventually be strong enough to force the transformation. We all know that new SSJ forms are difficult to transform/control at first, but after some training it turns easier. Goku had a really rough time in the SSJ3 form when he was alive again because he wasn't use to it in that aspect and it drained his power quicker and also put stress on his life force as well which he never had to compensate for in the otherworld since he was dead so he had no life force to worry about. Vegeta has always been promoted as being a genius fighter, including by Beerus himself. Sadly, Vegeta was unable to replicate it, and in the Dragon Ball Super Series, the prince of Saiyans was seen moving from stage 2 to Super Saiyan God and then Blue without passing by the third stage. I dont think that is able to be done unless your fused because if you train in super sayian 2 for along time you can not be stronger than you ss3 form because that form is what i believe 20times stronger than your last form and the more you train in your lower levels of SS the higher power you will have in your other forms, The reason Vegito was more powerful than a Ssj2 two was because it was two fighters fused together The rest of the series is vegeta trying to kill everyone by himself even though everyone says don't try it. and goku and vegeta were almost equal all threw out. The reason is simple. LSSJ is x250. Pride Gene's can only go SSJ, ASSJ, USSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ4. It is much said and assumed among fans that Vegeta is one of Toriyama's lesser favourite characters, which explains why Vegeta is commonly dealt the dud hand. —This unsigned comment was made by Ibman55 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time! wot Veget-San said is true, vegeta did in fact reach ss2 through harsh training & babidi just unleashed vegeta's evil potential. vegeta cud of used dis to his advantage and started to train without a lust for power so he cud achieve ss3 but he decided not to and trained at an average level maybe due to the fact dat he did not have that thirst of surpassing goku anymore. By the end of DBZ, Vegeta probably didnt have the enormous amount of ki to transform neither control the transformation, but, in between DBZ and DBGT he DID trained, and I think he did get stronger enough to be able to transform and control the SSJ3. 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Mystic: Gohan apparently skips everything after SS2 and reaches a level called "Mystic", although that may have just been an unofficial term, it was still the peak of his power and was not enough to defeat Buu. i would assume one of the main reasons Vegeta never went to SS3 is cause of the "10 years of Peace" or "Modest living" after Buu. i dont think so vegeta fought to kill but goku fought to push his own limits so i dont think vegeta would be able to turn ssj3. vegeta apesar de no anime não usar a transformação, veceu todas as batalhas disputas entre ele e goku, majin vegeta ssj2 é a nivel de goku ssj3, vegeta ssj3 humilharia goku ssj3. TheDarkPrinceReturns! so to me there is no cear cut winner. Vegeta and Gohan had no reason to train and then when GT came up they just let Goku fight every battle. even as Majin Vegeta .. he couldn't beat Buu in his fat form. It doesn't matter for Potara, but if Trunks suppressed for Goten it would make sense if Goku did for Vegeta, SupremeBooyah (talk) 18:29, October 16, 2012 (UTC). Majin Buu against Goku was only at 40% of his Max though. yes i know he used the form whilst he was a majin but it does not mean dat it was the first time he used it. If you disagree with that, think about this. Vol. Super Saiyan 2, This is normally a LOT more powerful than a Super Saiyan 1. After all, Goku did it in Dragon Ball Super, and a couple of time in Dragon Ball Super, and it’s the same for Gotenks. The writter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Super revealed Saiyans as being able to harness godly energy through a ritual to transform into Super Saiyan Gods. At the end of DBZ when Goku says that theres someone strong Bulma even says that Goku and Vegeta are the strongest and that no one can even challenge them. The comparison between Dabura and Cell is a comparison between Dabura and Super Perfect Cell. 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